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		<title>Unnamed Road</title>
				
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:04:43 +0000</pubDate>

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2022 - Unnamed Road &#124; Video Link (Trailer)



Unnamed Road &#124; 未名道

The film Unnamed Road takes the road and fate as its theme, and divides the chapters with earth, water, fire and wind. The road is under each person's feet. It is always in the process of becoming, changing and unfolding. The road has not yet reached the end, so it is called ‘unnamed’. In the film, the four elements express the various encounters of individual life in the world. At the same time, these four things are also in the context of the contemporary technological age, forcing human beings to search for the connection between themselves and nature.
影片《未名道》以道路与命运为题，并以地水火风分别为各个章节。道即是每人脚下的道路。道路永远在生成、变化与展开之中。道路尚未抵至终点，故曰未名。地水火风四大在影片中表白着个体生命在世间的种种际遇。而此四物同时也在当下技术时代的语境中，促逼着作为肉身的人去寻索自身与物的牵连。




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		<title>The Earth</title>
				
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:04:44 +0000</pubDate>

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2021 - The Earth &#124; Video Link


The Earth &#124; 地藏I Ching endows the earth with the inner character of "receptive devotion". The earth has always been where life can multiply. Here, what we are concerned about is the character displayed by the earth in human existence, its power to contain all things and create all kinds of creatures. However, in our contemporary life, has the earth been too far away from us? Hard cement, asphalt, and reinforced concrete replaced the vibrant soil. Our feet seem to be separated from the once earth. Here, have the various personalities of the earth also turned away to us?《易》以“坤”言地，并赋其“厚德载物”之内在性格。大地从来都是让生命得以繁衍的所在。在此，我们所关注的乃是大地在人类生存境遇中所展现的性格特征，它的包容万物与创造种种生灵的力量。然而在我们当代的生活中，大地是否已经离我们太过疏远了呢？坚硬的水泥、柏油以及钢筋混凝土取代了富有生机的土壤。我们的双脚似乎与那个曾经的大地相隔绝。在此，大地的那些种种性格是否也对我们转身而去了呢？



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		<title>Moon at Night</title>
				
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:04:47 +0000</pubDate>

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2021 - Moon at Night &#124; Video Link


Moon at Night &#124; 月夜
Has the moon disappeared in the contemporary life world? In the night of urban life, the never-ending neon shackled people's eyes firmly on the earth. Can the eyes that have been ravaged by the strong light clearly see the faint moonlight in the sky? Heidegger mentioned Apollo’s moon landing in an interview with Der Spiegel on September 23, 1966. He couldn’t help sighing: “The giant tree of human existence has already been uprooted &#38;nbsp;totally.” The moon, the dwelling place of the fairy in ancient times, has long been proved to be a pale and barren land. After all, is the lonely shadow looking up at the moon already sealed in an ancient scroll? After all, in the era of technology that sweeps away all halo and mystery, what does the moon mean to us?月亮是否已然在当代的生活世界中消隐？都市生活的夜晚，永无停歇的霓虹将人们的目光牢牢地束缚大地之上。备受强光摧残的双目是否还能分明见到空中熹微的月光。海德格尔在1966年9月23日接受明镜杂志的采访时提及阿波罗的登月，不禁慨叹：“人类存在之巨木是已然被连根拔起了。”月亮，这往昔仙家的居所如今早已被明证为惨白的荒芜之地。究竟，举头望月的孤影是否已是封藏于古老的书卷？究竟，在扫除一切光晕与神秘的技术时代，月亮对我们还意味着什么呢？



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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:04:50 +0000</pubDate>

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2021 - Across the River &#124; Video Link


Across the River &#124; 涉川
Thousands of waves are washed away, streams and rivers pass away. The gull swims backwards, or leapt into the deep emptiness.万波涤荡，江川逝海沙鸥溯游，或跃于渊



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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:04:53 +0000</pubDate>

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2020 - Embodying Voice &#124;&#38;nbsp;Video Link


Embodying Voice
The voice is from BBC Children Talking 1967.



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2015 - A Goodbye of Shadow &#124; Video Link


A Goodbye of Shadow &#124; 影的告别

In the dim evening, the protagonist left the house, silently, and walked to the station in the town. He was accompanied by an owl in a cage. He who was so troubled to sink into the world had sadness and hesitation in his eyes. , Where is he going? He was only swallowed by darkness. There is nothing else that exists in the world here, perhaps only the caged eagle, only it can move forward in the dark, because it is the clarity of the sky.在昏暗的傍晚，主人公离开房舍，静默阒然，向镇上的车站走去，与他相随的是一只笼中的猫头鹰，操劳着沉沦于世的他在眼神中透着哀伤与彷徨，他要去往何处？他不过被黑暗所吞并罢。在此还有什么了然于世界之存在，也许只有那只笼中之鹰，唯有它能在黑暗中艰难前行，因它本属天空之澄明。



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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:05:02 +0000</pubDate>

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2013 - Power &#124;&#38;nbsp;Video Link


Power &#124; 洪流The wheels of the train roared and the weeds groaned. The red geometric shapes lingered in the steel. It swept every corner like a cold wind, and who could foresee its footsteps?
火车铁轮轰鸣，野草呻吟。猩红的几何图形在钢铁中徘徊。如一阵冷风扫遍各地，其脚踪何人可曾预见？




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		<title>third hand</title>
				
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:05:08 +0000</pubDate>

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谈话 - 关于第三只手的故事


问：您如何理解展览主题？以及作为艺术家，您如何看待艺术与疗愈/治疗之间的关联？
答：我知道这次展览的主题是和一位艺术家伊迪丝·克莱默有关。不过我对她的艺术作品与思想并不十分了解。目前只是粗略浏览了一些她的信息。关于第三只手的故事”这一说法我很喜欢。在克莱默的艺术语境中“第三只手”似乎是指以一种非强迫或非侵入的方式来给他人提供帮助。它要求治疗师具有高度的洞察力和同理心，通过与参与者一起进行艺术创作的方式来实现一种隐喻的或非言语的精神治疗。我没有仔细想过艺术和疗愈之间有什么关系。有时候看起来艺术作品甚至对人的精神状态是有破坏性的。之前在伦敦科陶德美术馆有一次爱德华蒙克的展览。他许多作品的色调都有点低沉，或有些阴郁。作品的主题大都跟死亡、孤寂与恐惧有关。前不久在皇家美术学院的培根的画展，你能从他的作品的笔触和形象中感受到强烈的惊悚和颤栗感。另外当代的其他的艺术作品比如贾科梅蒂的雕塑，安瑟姆基弗的绘画，其基调都十分痛苦。但是他们的作品都很能打动人，拥有巨大的能量。我们或许可以说这些作品属于悲剧性的作品。那些色彩明快节奏欢乐的作品诸如毕加索粉红色时期的绘画，凡高的麦田，大卫霍克尼的泳池，在直观上就能给人们一种十分愉悦疏朗的感受，能对人们的心理起到疗愈的作用。而那些悲剧性的作品也具有疗愈的效果吗？我想在某种意义上也是可以的。亚里士多德在他的《诗学》中谈到古希腊的悲剧艺术对心灵具有一种“净化”（Katharsis）效果。悲剧让人产生悲悯和畏惧之情，并由此达到一种释然的心境。我觉得艺术作品不管其格调高低境界大小，抑或明朗或悲怆，其最根本的品质即是创作者有真实的情感诉诸其中。拨开矫饰与造作，使自己的本来面目在作品中重现。由此形成的艺术作品其创作本身即是一种净化，一种疗愈。有时甚至恰恰正是悲剧性的作品才使人们的心灵变得更为强健。而观者在面对这样一件作品时，便能够重新经验创作者胸中的波澜，从而达到一种净化和疗愈的效果。
问：您的作品与本次展览如何呼应？希望与观众之间产生怎样的连结？
答：在我参展的这部作品中，我探讨了四种元素即地水火风所展现出的内在性格。在佛教哲学中，这四种元素被看做是组成世界和我们身体的基本元素，即所谓“四大”。当然在中国我们也能够看到类似的以自然界基本元素来构成一种哲学思想，诸如五行与八卦。另外在古希腊，哲学家恩培多克勒也有过类似的观念。以自然景物关联到人事，这在中国是起兴的传统，如在《诗经》中我们可以常常看到的。另外在整个中国古典哲学中都能见其端倪。比如《周易》中随卦可以从“泽中有雷”这一自然现象关联到“君子以向晦入宴息”的观念。又如道家哲学常以山川草木为譬喻。在《未名道》这部作品中，我关注的是这些元素在我们的历史文明记忆或集体无意识中所呈现出的意象。我想这在某种意义上可以看做克莱默所说的“第三只手”。即以一种隐性的方式来重新建构我们与这些古老的元素之间的关联性。换言之，即是与自然天地万物获得一种内在的联接。在当下的生活中，我觉得我们与物几乎处在一种隔绝的状态。这不是说我们完全生活在虚拟世界，而是说我们当下生活世界中的物所带来的感性意蕴不够充沛。
问：在《未名道》中，何为您理解的道路的终点？以及您对人们在道路中探寻的意义如何理解？是更倡导以探寻本身为目的，还是以探寻“道的终点”为目的？
答：道路尚未抵达终点，所以影片以“未名道”为名。道路就如同一个人从生到死的全部经历。只要生活还在继续，道路便尚未完成，它就保持为一个尚未被命名的状态。既然是无名，我们就不能用任何既定的语词去言说它而使它固定下来。这种无名的状态即是道路中的探寻。在道路中探寻意味着发掘自我的可能性，就是去试验，在排除一切模式的虚空中创造。它要求专注于此时此地的感性经验。然而人们大多会投入到一种计划性的生活方式中，将生活中的一切安排得密不透风。然而一切计划性的安排都是刻舟求剑。因为世界在变化，自我也在变化。以一种固化的章程去指引流动的活水显然是不相宜的。道路或目的两者是同样重要的，不过在一个过度强调目的的世代，我愿意说作为探寻的道路本身更为重要。塞涅卡在《论人生之短暂》中说到有多少人在刚刚打算开始生活的时候才发现自己的生命已然接近了尾声。我们会十分轻易地把自身的生活摆置在一个目的性的追逐之中，而不去专注当下的感性经验。以至于在自我生命的进程中毫无生命体验的真切之感。而另一方面，如果只关心当下的探索与感受而无理性的计划与筹策，也不会尽善尽美。王阳明在谈到功夫与本体时说到二者需“相资为用，不可各执一边”，这话也可以讨论我们这里的问题。并且这个问题可以牵涉到生活中的许多事。尤其在艺术创作中，这个问题更为吃紧。古时禅师参禅皆以性命相见，所谓“于生死岸头得大自在”，艺术亦是。当代艺术尤其是一些观念艺术和极简主义作品常常会忽视作品的实际感性体验，而诉诸于一些观念的表达。而许多观念又常常是脱离自身切实的思维经验，只是将时下一些能引发舆论的观点抽离出来以成为创作的素材。我觉得艺术创作这本是人类最关乎内在体验的事业，若是机心过重，使创作进入一种无关切肤之感的模式化状态，那是十分危险的。
问：什么是让您提升能量或感到疗愈的事呢？（如何对抗坏情绪！）
答：我以前在杭州生活过一段很长的岁月，我很怀念那里的山山水水。每当我走在山水间，我总是能感觉到内在的焕发。今年我从伦敦搬到剑桥来居住。剑桥是个小城市，从市中心走到郊区也不过半个小时。虽然这里是地道的英格兰文化，然而这里的草木天空与康河会让我想起中国的山水。我常想自然的意义是什么。当你看到满目的花草，你能够观赏它的颜色，嗅闻它的芬芳，然而这朵花并没有眼睛看见自己的样子，也没有鼻子感受自己的气味，你就知道人在这世上并非一个独立存在的个体，我们和自然之间有种神秘的关联。生活中坏情绪总是会有的，它就像我们身体的病痛一样无可避免。我想不必刻意去避免或者对抗坏情绪，关键是获得一种强健的生命力去克服或超越它。我很喜欢杜甫的一句诗“万里悲秋常作客，百年多病独登台”。你能感觉到他的世界里并非完全扫除了悲伤和苦痛，而是他的生命翱翔在千里高空之上而不被这些悲苦所淹没。坏情绪就像一滴黑色的墨水，如果我们只是一杯水，就会被它全部染黑。然而为了不使自己变色，我们必须成为大海。使自己眼前看到的事物更广阔一些，去体会自身与自然的关联；以及不要带着强烈的目的性去行动，像我们之前谈到的，而是专注于手中的那一件事等等，我觉得这样或许可以帮助自己克服一些消极的情绪。

2023年于剑桥



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		<title>Online Show-xuanpinzhimen</title>
				
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:05:09 +0000</pubDate>

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谈话 - 玄牝之门


问：对于玄牝之门您是如何理解的呢？
答：我很喜欢《道德经》里这句话“谷神不死，是谓玄牝。玄牝之门，是谓天地根。绵绵若存，用之不勤。”当初看到展览的这个主题，想到的即是道家哲学乃至整个中国古典哲学的性格。玄牝之门，这四个字的意象就很有趣。我觉得整部《道德经》都可以视为诗歌。当然里面也有极艰深的义理。玄牝之门像是一种隐秘力量的源泉，“门”是沟通两个世界的通道。“谷神不死，是谓玄牝”。玄牝是虚空，是无，是静默的渊泉，是山谷中暗暗涌流的不死的活水。它并未显现出来，但在其中却涵藏了一切的可能性。

 问：作品中可否有中国传统文化中五行或不同元素之间的相互转化呢？
答：是的，不过更准确来说是来自《易经》八个卦象中的坤卦。《尚书》中载箕子为武王述“洪范九畴”之第一畴即是五行。它们都是通过自然界的几种元素来展开叙事。这种思想其实不仅仅存在于中国文明，如古希腊哲学家恩培多克勒（Empedocles）曾提出土水气火为世界的本原。又如佛家有说地水火风为“四大”。这些意象都十分古老，人们对这些元素的感受几乎是刻在基因里的。然而在当下的生活中语境中，这些元素几乎都脱离了它们的自然背景，并且失去了相互之间的关联。仅仅成为了一些所谓的自然资源。

 问：作品中感受到了想要返回曾经的土壤的愿望，那么我们还能回去吗？如果可以的话要如何返回过去的大地呢？
答：返回大地本身是一种隐喻。我们当然不可能返回到古代的生活，也不必刻意去亲近大地。事实上我对未来的技术生活抱持积极的态度。只是我们如何在技术时代中唤醒那些在技术中遗落的事物，如何重新获得人们所隐秘渴望的幸福生活。《易传·系辞传》：“安土敦乎仁，故能爱。”“安土”并非字面意义的安土重迁，或是亲近大地，而是去领会大地的内在性格。

问：你认为大地的性格是什么？
答：大地的性格最终还是指向人心。《易经》六十四卦每一卦都是以自然意象说起，而以人间事务为终。如《大象传·坤卦》：“地势坤，君子以厚德载物。”又如刚刚提到《系辞传》中“安土敦乎仁，故能爱。”在这里“安土”与“仁”和“爱”之间获得了一种关联。这句话很能体现大地的性格，它其实是一种针对心灵的叙述。这里的土壤并不仅仅滋养森林与川流，并且让那些枯槁的心生长出健硕的根基。大地的意象在当今时代仿佛已经变得十分模糊，因为在都市化的生活中人们其实已经脱离了大地。人们的双脚从来不触碰大地，取而代之的是水泥以及钢筋混凝土。当代建筑先驱柯布西耶曾设想过这样一群巨型建筑群落：集各种功能为一体，居住于其中的居民根本不必离开建筑便能够满足购物、工作、居住等等需求。也许终有一天，人们会完全生活于“无地”。但又有何不可呢？大地的意义会在新的生活语境中现身为新的物质形态。只要这种意义能在人心中获得印证。

 问：如何看待今年的威尼斯双年展和它的主题“梦想之乳”？
答：可惜目前为止还没有亲自去看展，只是听闻过一些相关信息。或许在十一月我会前往威尼斯。我很喜欢这个主题的名字，它让我想起一个关于创世的神话。乳与梦仿佛是生命起初的光景。

2022年于剑桥



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谈话 - What We Talk About



问：你的电影音轨由寂静和现实生活中的声音所构成。 要创造出这种宁静，其难点是什么？你选择这种方式而不是使用音乐或声音特效的原因是什么？

Question: Your film is composed by quietness and sounds from real life. To create this kind of serenity, what are the difficulties in your practice and the reason you choose this way rather than using music or sound effect.

 答：你提到了寂静（quietness）和宁静（serenity），这两个词很有趣。寂静并不会带来宁静，能够带来宁静的是声音。青蛙扑通一声跳入池塘，便是宁静。声音揭示出宁静，它是有张力的，而寂静只是没有变化而已。其中的关键是要获得对张力的把捉。

是的，我很少在影片中使用音乐，除非是有特殊的目的。画面往往会因为配上音乐而被消磨掉自身的细节，让画面只成为了某种特定的情感标签，观影体验会变得过于单一。有些人认为音乐能更好地烘托画面的情绪，其实大多数情况下只是因为画面的情绪太过虚弱，从而需要音乐来补救。然而画面不应当被音乐补救，它需要在自身中寻找解救的办法。音乐和画面的关系是一个游戏，一场双人舞，而不是救火现场。事实上，轻率地结合音乐和画面，音乐自身也同样受到了损害。当你聆听肖邦的《夜曲》或者柴可夫斯基的《六月船歌》时，那种美感并非是来自于联想到的某个画面，而是音乐本身所带来的体验。给音乐配上画面的这种做法，会让这种体验大打折扣。如果决定使用音乐，它需要为整个影片带来新的东西，使之丰富起来。
Answer: You mentioned quietness and serenity, these two words are really interesting. Quietness does not bring serenity, it is sound that can bring serenity. The frog jumped into the pond with a plop, and it was serenity. The sound reveals serenity, it is tense, and quietness is just unchanged. The key is to gain a grasp of tension.

Yes, I rarely use music in films unless it is for a special purpose. The image often wears away its own details because of the music, making the image only a certain emotional label, and the viewing experience will become too monotonous. Some people think that music can better set off the mood of the image, but in most cases it is just because the mood of the image is too weak, which requires music to remedy it. However, the picture should not be remedied by music, it needs to find a rescue in itself. The relationship between music and picture is a game, a duet dance, not a fire fighting scene. In fact, indiscreetly combining music and image, the music itself is also damaged. When you listen to Chopin's Nocturne or Tchaikovsky's June: Barcarolle, the beauty does not come from a certain image you think of, but the experience brought by the music itself. The practice of equipping the music with image will make this experience greatly compromised. If you decide to use music, it needs to bring something new to the entire film and enrich it.

 


问：我个人对你巧妙地将抽象画面与具体形象结合的方式印象十分深刻。 通过这种讲故事的方式，你想表达什么样的叙事？以及更重要的是，通过你的艺术探究方式，月亮对你来说意味着什么？

Question: I'm personally impressed by your masterful way of merging the abstract blurriness with more detailed images. Through this way of telling the story, what kind of narrative do you want to express, and more importantly, through your way of artistic investigation, what does moon mean to you?


答：是的，事实上这里存在着两种叙事，一种是抽象叙事，另外一种是意象诗学叙事，诗学意味着对逻辑的超越。抽象叙事可以类比抽象画，它是通过颜色和形状来进行叙事；另外一种意象诗学叙事是通过使用某些特定的具体意象来叙事。你问我想要表达怎样一种叙事，然而对我来说，不论是何种类型的叙事，它们都是隐性的。叙事本身不被表达，被表达的是叙事带来的体验。
这部影片名为《月夜》，它讲述的是月亮在当代生活中有着怎样的意义。月亮意味着什么呢？在影片中我引用了一段阿波罗登月的影像。这是上个世纪最令人激动事件之一，然而海德格尔在接受《明镜》杂志的采访提及此事时曾说：“人类存在之巨木是已然被连根拔起了。”在他看来，这仿佛是某种危险。月亮在我们当代生活语境中的意义已经发生了极大的变化。在古人的眼中，月亮是一个极富神秘色彩的意象，我们知道在古代诗词中经常能够看到她的身影。而当代人看到月亮（因为大气污染，或许能看到月亮也不是那么容易的事）想到的极有可能是太空移民或者资源开采。当然这没什么不好，我也不是在宣扬乡愁的情绪。我所重视的不是作为物质存在的月亮，而是它作为某种精神性存在的载体。这种精神性存在最为集中的表达即是“思念”，不论是对人或是物的思念，皆可寄寓于月亮。而在现代生活中由于种种的原因，月亮所承载的这层含义正逐渐黯淡，并且在当代生活的夜晚中，月亮本身也在逐渐消隐。我认为真正的危险不是人们将不再拥有月亮，而是人们将不再拥有思念。


Answer: Yes, there are actually two narratives here, one is abstract narrative, and the other is imagery poetic narrative. Poetics means transcending logic. Abstract narration can be analogous to abstract painting, which uses colors and shapes to narrate; another kind of imagery poetic narrative uses certain specific images to narrate. You ask me what kind of narrative I want to express, but to me, no matter what type of narrative, they are all implicit. The narrative itself is not expressed, what is expressed is the experience brought about by the narrative.

 
The film is called Moon at Night, and it tells about the meaning of the moon in contemporary life. What does the moon mean? In the film I quoted an image of Apollo landing on the moon. This is one of the most exciting events of the last century. However, when Heidegger mentioned it in an interview with Der Spiegel magazine, he said: " The giant tree of human existence has already been uprooted totally." In his opinion, this seems to be some kind of danger. The meaning of the moon in the context of our contemporary life has undergone tremendous changes. In the eyes of the ancients, the moon is a very mysterious image. We know that she can often be seen in ancient poems. However, when contemporary people see the moon (because of atmospheric pollution, it may not be so easy to see the moon) most likely they think of space migration or resource exploitation. Of course, there is nothing wrong with this, and I am not promoting nostalgia. What I value is not the moon as a material existence, but as a carrier of a certain spiritual existence. The most concentrated expression of this kind of spiritual existence is "missing." Whether it is missing people or things, they can all reside in the moon. In modern life, due to various reasons, the meaning of the moon is gradually dimming, and in the night of contemporary life, the moon itself is gradually disappearing. I think the real danger is not that people will no longer have the moon, but that people will no longer have missing.


2021年于杭州钱塘


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